Umineko no Naku Koro ni III-VI

George holding in pain

Episode III-VI of Umineko no Naku Koro ni, “promotion”, begins on 1:30PM right after the end of the previous episode, where Eva is still wailing about the loss of her husband. On the other hand, George is still pretty calm and more concerned about others despite having lost both his lover and father, which is a fact not lost on Battler. Unlike his mother, George is trying to hold in his pain and barely expresses the anguish he must be feeling, notwithstanding Battler’s point that crying is just for times like these, who is doing just that for the loss of his own parents.

In the meta world, meta-Battler gives a lecture to a timid Beato about how human’s value their lives precisely because their lives are finite, making a point with the emotional scene going on in the real world. The lecture is wholeheartedly endorsed by Vergilia, who stomps on Beato trying to make excuses. The idea was unfamiliar to a witch like Beato, for whom life and death were like easily interchangeable sides of the same coin. Vergilia claims that the aim of magic is to bring happiness to people, and is especially so for the powers of the Endless Witch, something Beato has been failing miserably at.

A teary Beato

Meta-Battler does not fail to point out how Beato’s actions have disqualified her as being a witch, much less the Endless Witch. It’s bad enough that people are killed, which is a ritual that Beato may not be able avoid if she wishes to revive as a witch, but the cruelty she has shown has been totally unacceptable. When Beato asks how she can make up for her actions, meta-Battler says that it’s up to her to think of a way. He does suggest that she talk to Vergilia or Ronove, who have shown a much greater understanding of human suffering, although I doubt the latter really cares.

A teary Beato needs some time to think, and meta-Battler is willing to wait. (I never expected Beato to shed tears except from excessive laughter, so I never expected to see her like this, whether it’s from guilt, pain of rejection, or sadness.) In fact, meta-Battler even promises that he will not quit the game first, that he will be waiting for Beato until she returns as a proper witch. A solemn Beato disappears to think and do whatever she needs to think and do for her return as a worthy opponent for meta-Battler.

Defense strategizing

In the guest house, all the windows and doors are locked and barricaded. It’s mentioned that the key and pair of guns carried by Rudolph and the others were not found, however. Unlike in previous arcs, so far there has not been much in the way of paranoia. This isn’t very surprising, since the parents were all together during the first set of murders, Nanjo would have been with the others during the latest set of murders, and the remaining grandchildren would not be likely to be cast under suspicion. In a barricaded guest house and two guns, they just have to last until the next day when help arrives from the mainland. Of course, we all know how poorly such plans last …

While the remaining grandchildren are all holed up in a room feeling depressed, with Nanjo staying in the room next door for their sake, George leaves alone to get some coffee after a short conversation where he totally understands how Kinzou got obsessed with the occult in hopes of reviving his lover Beatrice. Battler and Jessica let him go alone, their respect for George’s wish to wallow in his pain alone obviously overriding concerns for safety. While George walks alone inside the guest house, Beato appears before him, offering to help him revive Shannon. Of course, George agrees, and Beato unlocks a window, turns herself and George into golden butterflies, and heads to the main mansion, locking the window behind them.

Siesta 410's wink

Outside, EvaBeatrice is monitoring the situation with her furniture. She feels something has left the guest house, but neither of the Siesta furniture claim to have felt anything. Siesta 410 clarifies that they were only monitoring the inside and not so much the outside. I have to wonder if I should read anything into her winking as she says this. Ronove denies feeling anything, and the other furniture Lucifer gets the hint and denies it as well. Only Lucifer’s hesitation gave away that Ronove knew anything, but EvaBeatrice accepts them at their word, although she clearly looks dubious.

The time is now 5:45PM. Eva, Klaus, and Natsuhi are all tired and drowsing off when Eva faces off EvaBeatrice in what seems to be a dream. Eva talks about how it was all her fault: initially satisfied if she were to become the head of the family, greed started to grow when she saw the mountain of gold, which gave birth to EvaBeatrice, a younger version of herself with her ugly side. Having grown older, Eva also has dreams as a wife and mother, but EvaBeatrice cares nothing for them from how she had killed Hideyoshi. The other deaths weigh heavily on Eva as well, and she wants nothing to do with EvaBeatrice, who withdraws and says she’ll do whatever she wants. Eva is left behind, writhing with guilt as she wonders if the killings were her fault.

Eva versus Eva

Eva awakes back into the real world, coughing because Klaus had started smoking. Eva always had problems with cigarette smoke, but Klaus must have forgotten due to the nervousness that must have made him smoke in the first place. He immediately puts out his cigarette in consideration for Eva. She’s fine with it, although she still goes out for some fresh air.

A contemplative Klaus

After Eva leaves, Natsuhi points out how her husband showed consideration for Eva when he is usually very wary of her. This has Klaus reveal some of the soul-searching he had done, regretting how mean he had been to his siblings in his efforts to follow in his father’s footsteps and now wanting to be a better brother, even if it’s almost too late by now. Unfortunately, EvaBeatrice has the Siesta sisters shoot their thing, which flies through keyholes and reaches Klaus and Natsuhi where they are promptly strangled to death and dragged outside. The time is now 5:50PM.

In the mansion, Beato is helping George revive Shannon. Beato can only open a gap to the underworld so that Shannon’s soul can be summoned, but it is George that must draw her soul out with his strong feelings. As Vergilia showed the young Beato a long time ago and Beato showed Maria just the day before, the basis of the magic is to remember how something was, and Shannon is soon revived to George’s great joy. Beato seems to gain from George’s earnest efforts more of an understanding of the strong emotions humans have because life is so precious, something she lacked because life and death were so trivial to her.

Snide EvaBeatrice

However, EvaBeatrice is not letting the happy moment go on, and having realized that Beato had taken George to the mansion, she has the Siesta sisters kill both George and Shannon. If it wasn’t already obvious, then the fact that George is killed makes it crystal clear that EvaBeatrice is no longer in any way Eva. Beato is extremely angry at what had just happened, while outside EvaBeatrice talks about how she left her predecessor alone for her later enjoyment. While Ronove apologizes for not sensing Beato, it doesn’t look like EvaBeatrice is being fooled even a bit, but they’re all apparently playing a charade and let the matter drop for now.

Inside the guest house, the remaining survivors Battler, Jessica, Nanjo, and Eva are alarmed at how George, Klaus, and Natsuhi have gone missing. The time is 6:03PM. The first place they search outside is the rose garden, where they immediately find Klaus and Natsuhi dead with stakes impaled through the knee and leg, respectively, which fulfills the seventh and eighth twilights of the inscription. While Jessica wails about the death of her parents, Eva realizes the possibility of what might have happened to her son, and she frantically searches for him with Battler in tow.

George and Shannon together in death

After searching the mansion, they find something new written in blood on the door to the room with Shannon. It is the numbers 07151129. As Eva writes down the numbers, Battler remarks that his own birthday is July 15 (07/15), but he doesn’t come up with an answer for what 1129 might mean. When Eva uses her master key to open the door, however, they are shocked to find George lying dead next to Shannon’s body, prompting another bout of wailing from poor Eva.


This almost gets Battler into a depression about how he might soon be killed just like his parents. He regains his will to survive when he remembers his sister Angie, who would be all alone if he were to die as well after losing their parents. This is when Jessica runs into the room in a rage accusing Eva of being the killer, barely being restrained by Nanjo. The paranoia has finally started, with Jessica blaming Eva since she was with Jessica’s parents, while in the heat of the moment Eva fires back that the others must have killed George.

Jessica lunges at Eva with every intention of killing her, to which Eva fires her gun by reflex. This blinds Jessica, although almost certainly not because she got hit: there is no blood, and more importantly, she would most likely be dead if she got hit in the eyes. It was probably the muzzle blast that blinded Jessica, perhaps due to injuries from sudden changes in pressure or gunpowder getting into her eyes. Eva is shocked at what she had just done and runs off, followed by Battler because of the dangers of anyone being alone.


Nanjo does some emergency care for Jessica’s eyes, speculating that it must have been the muzzle blast that blinded her. Jessica just thinks that Eva also tried to kill her: she’s obviously not thinking straight, since if that was the case, she would be dead with a bullet in her brain. Whether Jessica’s panic about Battler endangering himself by being alone with Eva is justified or not, Nanjo agrees that they should all get back together as it would be dangerous for the survivors to be split up.

As soon as Nanjo leaves the room, however, he comes face to face with EvaBeatrice, and despite his pleas that he has a grandchild, it looks like EvaBeatrice kills him by impaling her staff in his eyes. The blind Jessica panics, having no idea what had happened to the doctor. It doesn’t help that EvaBeatrice taunts her, remarking on how she heard that blind people have zero anti-magic and zero resistance against magic. Jessica seems to recognize the voice, while EvaBeatrice continues her taunts that Jessica is now an isolated pawn, and that she will kill her after she gets tired with playing with Nanjo. Jessica is totally immobile with fright, calling everyone she can, including Kanon.

Wishing good luck

In the meta world, Beato talks about how disgraceful she was with the way she had played with Jessica’s love for Kanon on a previous occasion (see episode II-III), to which Ronove mentions Beato’s weird dislike of love. Now with a different perspective, Beato intends to help Jessica by taking advantage of her love for Kanon. Ronove says that this could finish off Beato in her weakened state, which might disappoint meta-Battler who is waiting for her. Beato replies that it is precisely because of meta-Battler that she needs to do this, as part of her getting accepted by him.

Ronove wishes her good luck, that this will not end up being her final act of magic. And Beato heads off to do whatever she has to do, bidding Ronove farewell, at which point the episode ends.

Beato has changed rather drastically in just a couple and a half episodes, and not even eight hours have passed in real world time. Looks like she will revive Kanon somehow, but I have no idea what will happen once she does. This arc in general has been paying much more attention to the characters themselves rather than small details that could be crucial to solving the case (there is even a drought of red text), so it seems Beato’s change of heart will be the main issue in the meta world rather than the game itself. But I am not in any way assured that she will survive whatever stunt she is going to pull …



  • There is yet another name I have to guess the English spelling of, and it is unfortunately no surprise at all that there is not a hint at either the anime site or 07th Expansion. I’m just going to go with what seems to make the most sense given the pronunciation ‘enji’: Angie. “Ange” shows up in search results (it’s a pain to just check spelling while avoiding spoilers), but this makes no sense given the pronunciation. (Same as spelling “warugiria” as “Virgilia”.) And I don’t have much reluctance to spell things the way I want to …
  • The most obvious mundane explanation for George’s death is that he killed himself next to his beloved. His rather subdued emotional responses may have been warning signs. The issues with this are that it is unclear how he made his way through the mansion (it is not clear who carried each of the five master keys) and the lack of an apparent weapon. There is also the issue of 07151129.
  • My strongest mundane theory for the deaths: Nanjo is responsible. He has no alibi for the initial six victims (one victim may not have not immediately died and managed to lock a door, which would have created the composite locked door mystery), he might not have one for Rosa and Maria, and he has none for Klaus and Natsuhi. Rudolph, Kirie, and Hideyoshi are a problem, but I can make up him having been a crackshot soldier in World War II and using his ninja skills to slip away and back unnoticed. And we don’t actually get to see Nanjo being killed in the end, even if it’s strongly implied. Despite it being my strongest theory, though, it’s still not very strong …
  • Another theory: Rudolph and Kirie are behind the deaths up to the previous episode. They kill the six initial victims, Rudolph kills Rosa and Maria, and they isolate Hideyoshi so that they could kill him. But Hideyoshi was so badass that he paid as good as he got. Klaus and Natsuhi were killed by Eva, who has been going insane.
  • Eva may actually be responsible for all the deaths despite the evidence against this. Eva’s (internal? magical?) conflict certainly suggests it as being an obvious possibility, which means everyone thinks it is too obvious, so they think it must be someone else, and this is exactly the way they’re supposed to be misled.
  • Of course, the killer of the initial six victims may be entirely different from the killer of the later victims as suggested by the changeover from Beatrice to EvaBeatrice.
  • This only now occurs to me: there could still be a nineteenth person or more on the island, despite the red text to the contrary in episode III-II. The statement was made near midnight, and one or more people could have been killed already.
  • Near the end of every arc so far, it has always been mentioned that things should get better once the storm ends and the black-tailed gulls cry again, assuming that they can last that long. Obviously a reference to how help can arrive when the storm clears, the way it is invariably expressed somewhat poetically with black-tailed gulls (ウミネコ, “umineko”) makes me wonder if there is something much more significant about the expression. Maybe gull cries have the power to repel magic?
  • Love has been a sore point for Beato, and Ronove even mentions it explicitly. I suspect it’s because of Kinzou: if a creep entraps you and basically neuters your mind all in the name of love, it wouldn’t be so surprising if you had a tad bit negative opinion about love.
  • Even granting that there is more time in the meta world than the real world, Beato has changed extremely quickly. I bet even a lifetime of indoctrination of many nearly sociopathic people in real life wouldn’t change them that much. Did she always have a strong nascent sense of empathy that just needed a trigger to blossom, or is she rapidly remembering what she was like? Or my favorite theory: her response when meta-Battler slapped her made him think that she might be redeemable in some back corner of his mind, and this belief affected her character.
  • I can now definitely imagine Beato showing the sad face shown in the opening credits for every arc: she has already shown similar expressions in this episode. But there’s another mystery woman who had appeared in the opening credits since the beginning, and this person has yet to show any sign of actually appearing. Will this mystery have to wait until the next story arc, or even farther in the future? Whoever it is, it always reminds me of Yoshino from Maria-sama ga Miteru, although I doubt her full face will look like the mystery woman’s or there being any similarities between their personalities. (Must be the haircut.)

Mystery girl from opening credits

  1. #1 by Jubbz on October 23, 2009 - 3:39 pm

    mystery woman? Like the pic above? >_>

    I thought that was Beatrice herself.

    As for the killings, I doubt there’d be a way for one person create a massive closed room like that for the first six. And in George’s case, I think someone helped him to get out of the guest house. He jumped out of the window and someone locked the window back.

    And as for Krauss and Natsuhi, i think Culprit X killed them one at a time. They left the room they were in and then they were strangled one after another while out of each other’s field of vision. There’d be no way to strangle’em both at the same time.

    And one thing i’d like to point out… The magic shit seems to always happen when the people are not near Piece-Battler at all…>_>

    • #2 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 3:52 pm

      Now I’m comparing the hair style with Beato’s, and it actually seems to match. -_- I must have been so stuck on the face and haircut reminding me of Yoshino that it must have trapped me inside a cognitive vortex. :( Didn’t help that I always thought the hair color was black … (Knew perfectly well that the color is not accurate, but still got the impression.)

      • #3 by Jubbz on October 23, 2009 - 8:32 pm

        Haha. Fair enough. :p

        Hair color. I can see how the impression came off the coloring of that part.

  2. #4 by Bernkastel on October 23, 2009 - 3:54 pm

    It is, in fact, “Ange”.

    • #5 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 3:58 pm

      And I would love to know where that spelling is from …

      (Someday I am going to read the visual novel (in the original Japanse version), and then I’ll be forced to update the spelling of every single name in my blog posts …)

      • #6 by Anon on October 23, 2009 - 4:37 pm

        The name “Ange” comes from Ryukishi07’s (The writer of the visual novel) himself. The team who translated the VN were given the official spellings as well as Ryukishi07’s blessing

      • #7 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 5:16 pm

        For a name with no apparent origin, that’s good enough for me.

        (With the info from Taiyaki, that might be even more reason to spell it as Ange rather than Angie.)

  3. #8 by urusai on October 23, 2009 - 4:51 pm

    “Virgilia” is correct, as confirmed by 07th Expansion (“Beatrice” and “Virgil” are character names from The Divine Comedy, which the Umineko game has occasionally referenced).

    • #9 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 5:11 pm

      Which would totally make sense if it was pronounced as “bir-ji-ria” or if English speakers actually pronounced Virgil anything like “warugil”. But Virgil’s name itself comes from the original spelling “Vergilius”, and in classical Latin pronunciation, this is pronounced as “Wer-ghi-lius”, which is a lot closer to “warugiria”. Whereas even in classical Latin, “Virgilia” is pronounced as “wiir-ghi-lia”, and with its root in a name bastardized to English, brings to mind the pronunciation “ver-ji-lia”. Or at least from what I’ve painfully been able to glean about classical Latin pronunciation and the origin of the name “Virgil”.

      What I really need is why the spelling “Virgilia” makes sense. Maybe a Latin expert to patiently explain to me how the spelling “Virgilia” makes sense when the pronunciation is very clearly “warugiria”, being shown how I’ve been deceived all my life and everyone really do pronounce Virgil as “war-ghil”, or for 07th Expansion to retroactively change the pronunciation of the name to “birjiria”. ;)

      (Yes, I’m sometimes excessively fussy like that. :p )

      • #10 by urusai on October 23, 2009 - 5:25 pm

        Simply because Virgil is a more popular spelling?

        Virgil vs. Vergil
        Divine Comedy

      • #11 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 5:27 pm

        And yes, it’s quite possible I don’t know what I’m talking about (in fact, I don’t know what I’m talking about: it’s all from painstaking research on the Internet by a layperson with little background in linguistics or literature), so feel free to point out any factual errors.

      • #12 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 5:30 pm

        urusai :

        Simply because Virgil is a more popular spelling?

        So is “verjil” the more popular pronunciation, but Umineko no Naku Koro ni quite explicitly uses the unpopular pronunciation …

      • #13 by urusai on October 23, 2009 - 5:33 pm

        Yeah, so now it’s similar to the question of whether you want to call the capital city of Romania “Bucharest” or “Bucuresti”.

      • #14 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 5:44 pm

        Yeah, something like that.

        It’s like making it a point to pronounce the ‘s’ as a ‘sh’ and spelling it “Bucharest”, or making it a point to pronounce the ‘s’ as a plain ‘s’ and spelling it “Bucuresti” (and then there’s the ‘a’ versus ‘u’).

        Whereas I keep on railing about writing it like Romanians if they insist on the Romanian pronunciation over the American one, or to just go with the American pronunciation if the American spelling is insisted on. And especially when the pronunciations are utterly different.

      • #15 by urusai on October 23, 2009 - 5:52 pm

        Well, there’s nothing preventing you from writing “Virgil” but pronouncing it “Vergil”. I mean, someone unfamiliar with Italian pronunciation would think “Beatrice” is “bee-uh-triss”.

      • #16 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 5:54 pm

        Sure. But there’s nothing stopping me from writing it as “Vergilia”, either, which I have actually done so far. :p

      • #17 by urusai on October 23, 2009 - 5:57 pm

        Except that it goes against the efforts of the novel translation team, who have taken the trouble to obtain confirmation of name spellings from the original creators =p

      • #18 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 6:03 pm

        I might respect that, if someone could actually explain to me how the spelling makes sense. And having no plans at all to play the translation, I don’t feel particularly bound by their efforts.

      • #19 by urusai on October 23, 2009 - 6:28 pm

        I already gave you a link on the origins of the spelling. Look up the first link on post #9. Although here’s one more:

        If you’re so concerned about “original spelling”, why don’t you just transliterate the katakana directly?

      • #20 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 6:39 pm

        I’m aware of the origins of the spelling for Virgil (the links you gave me were among where I learned it), and they’re precisely why I insist that I spell it as “Vergilia”. Notice that I don’t insist anyone else do so as well.

        Just give it a rest and let me be with my anal-retentive ways, OK? It can’t be that big of a deal that I use an ‘e’ instead of an ‘i’ …

        (I might actually have considered transliterating the katakana if Virgil, a.k.a. Virgilius, a.k.a. Vergilius was actually a Japanese poet whose name was spelled in katakana. Except he’s a Roman poet where both the anime and the visual novel use the classical Latin pronunciation and not the English pronunciation.)

      • #21 by urusai on October 23, 2009 - 6:48 pm

        It’s not so much your insistence on the spelling, but your justification. Your main article implies that you’d go with the spelling provided by 07th Expansion if they’d displayed it on their official site. And it turns out 07th Expansion did sanction the popular spelling, but now you’re second-guessing them. It’s just weird, that’s all.

      • #22 by Shounen A on October 23, 2009 - 6:54 pm

        They just said that that the translation team can go with the names they wanted from what I can tell. When I want official sources, I want official sources, right inside the game itself or in official material.

        Otherwise, I feel a lot more leeway, especially for stuff like “Vergilia” versus “Virgilia”, where for the latter it seems I could never be able to explain to anyone why the heck they pronounce it this way when they spell it that way.

  4. #23 by Taiyaki on October 23, 2009 - 4:59 pm

    It’s 縁寿, and the official reading is エンジェ. Her name, just like with Kyrie and Asumu, is supposed to be a reference to a skill from Ragnarok Online (Angelus).

  5. #24 by Ian on October 23, 2009 - 10:21 pm

    I’m almost positive that the “mystery woman” in the opening credits is Beatrice. I can tell from the bangs of her hair, particularly next to her eyes.

    Also, I can provide “in-game” sources concerning the spelling of the original character names, just look at the opening for the second VN, “Turn of the Golden Witch.” It spells out each name in English.

    Here they are:

    Krauss (yes, it’s a real Western name)
    Kyrie (this is supposedly an intentional spelling, as it’s spelled like this in English every time it appears in Japanese sources)

    Another source is the official motion graphics, which contain English spellings. However, there is some inconsistency: in one of the motion graphics, Battler’s sister’s name is spelled “Enje,” while in a later one, it is spelled “Ange.” Also, “Virgilia’s” name is spelled “Wergilia.”

    But I don’t mean to call out anything with the way you spell. Your intentions are perfectly understandable, and I respect them. By all means, do what you will, and I shall continue to marvel at your supreme analysis of this anime from the standpoint of one who isn’t familiar with the details.

    • #25 by Ian on October 23, 2009 - 10:26 pm

      Oh, and your “seagulls” theory is one I honestly never thought of. And as for Beatrice, I agree, people usually don’t go through changes that fast under normal circumstances. There’s definitely more to it than what we see.

      • #26 by RP on October 24, 2009 - 5:22 am

        I agree that there’s more to it than we see, but I wonder if perhaps some of the context just hasn’t been animated by DEEN, to try to fit everything in. What struck me more than Beatrice’s change in attitude was her actions. The remorse feels pretty plausible and very real to me. But the “good” actions? They seem like Beatrice is doing them without truly understanding the reasoning behind it. Throughout this whole arc, I’ve been thinking back to the flashback of her as a child, and how she still seems to be that same child.

      • #27 by Shounen A on October 24, 2009 - 7:10 am

        RP :

        Throughout this whole arc, I’ve been thinking back to the flashback of her as a child, and how she still seems to be that same child.

        This makes me think Vergilia trained a Darth Vader, except the student was too young instead of too old.

    • #28 by Shounen A on October 24, 2009 - 6:37 am

      Now that is the sort of source citation I like. Thanks! :D

      (Or maybe not, since I’m bound to go over all my Umineko posts and change the names (I think I mentioned being excessively fussy). ;)

    • #29 by Shounen A on October 25, 2009 - 12:59 pm

      Forgot to ask, but why do you point out that Krauss is a real Western name? Is anyone saying otherwise?

  6. #30 by Serpit on October 24, 2009 - 9:21 am

    -> (one victim may not have not immediately died and managed to lock a door, which would have created the composite locked door mystery)

    This is left out in the anime, but originally, Beato states in red that “all of them were instant deaths!”

    • #31 by Shounen A on October 24, 2009 - 9:33 am

      This moves the separate killers theory from strongly suggestive territory into the very likely territory …

  7. #32 by keikakudoori on October 24, 2009 - 7:16 pm

    “My strongest mundane theory for the deaths: Nanjo is responsible. He has no alibi for the initial six victims (one victim may not have not immediately died and managed to lock a door, which would have created the composite locked door mystery), he might not have one for Rosa and Maria, and he has none for Klaus and Natsuhi.”

    I’d like to test this theory. I actually think that it was whoever killed Krauss and Natsuhi had somebody else assist him/her. If somebody were to use a rope/cable to strangle two people he/she must’ve had plenty of strength. I think Nanjo could kill one.. but two people… I’m not so sure. You might come with a different or similar conclusion after reading this.

    This is how I interpret the whole Siesta Sisters deal. The golden snake-like shot going through the door and barricade like it is nothing can be interpreted as the culprit coming from the inside of the guesthouse or that somebody let them enter without much trouble either through the window that George open or a door/ window that Eva opened when she went to get some ‘fresh air’. The theory is based on the fact that the culprit(s) had no trouble getting inside the house at all.

    Here’s what I think it happened. Those two people came up with a plan to murder Krauss and Natsuhi. They figured that since they all knew each other well, Krauss and Natsuhi wouldn’t suspect a thing. So both Krauss and Natsuhi saw the culprit but they didn’t much of it since they knew him/her well ‘just like Rosa did’. When they turned their back and continue their conversation the culprits then strangled them with a rope or something similar to death. Lastly, they carried the bodies outside and came back to the mansion and acted like they didn’t know a thing.

    Obviously, Krauss and Natsuhi couldn’t have done it. Battler was with Jessica possibly the whole time in the second floor. It’s still possible they were alone for a few minutes though. So only Dr. Nanjo, Eva, and George are the only ones who were by themselves. So either one of three let the culprit inside or two out of three inside the house did it. What do you think? It doesn’t disprove your theory that both Eva and Nanjo are guilty.

    • #33 by Shounen A on October 25, 2009 - 11:47 am

      It seems consistent with what we know so far, although there are also reasons why it may not be so. If there was anyone outside, then no help from the inside would have been necessary if Rudolph’s missing key is used. And it might not be as hard for a single person to take out both Krauss and Natsuhi: knock one out, strangle the other before he/she reacts, and then strangle the unconscious one.

      Not that it seems to be much weaker than any other theory: it feels like there can be valid alternative explanations for all the theories I’ve thought of and seen. The biggest problem is the paucity of absolute facts: I’m not even sure who has the master keys or what the situation in the guest house was during some of the murders. The paucity of red text obviously doesn’t help, given we can’t even trust what we see on screen. I actually think Eva is innocent from on-screen evidence (the speculation to the contrary is just to cover my bases if it turns out the too-obviousness of her guilt is reverse psychology :), but since on-screen evidence can’t be trusted …

      The biggest sticking point for any of my mundane theories is what happened to Rudolph, Kirie, and Hideyoshi. I find it hard to believe that Eva or Nanjo could have sneaked out to kill them and snuck back, only to head out with others just a scant minutes later, but that’s the only way for them to have done it. And while it’s possible that Rudolph, Kirie, and Hideyoshi somehow killed each other, it’s still rather implausible.

      Which is why I’m now leaning towards there having been more than eighteen people on the island. This could be consistent with the red text about there not being nineteen or more people like this: When there were more than eighteen people on the island, Beatrice did not say anything, and when one or more people were killed, the red text became true. And it would have had the added bonus of misleading meta-Battler into thinking there was indeed only eighteen people on the island from the start. (It was sort of weird how she said “there are not nineteen or more people” instead of “there are exactly eighteen people” …)

  8. #34 by Johanna on November 1, 2009 - 10:14 pm

    Where’s the new updatee? You haven’t posted D:

    • #35 by Shounen A on November 2, 2009 - 10:41 pm

      Now that a week from hell is over and I’m recovered from the exhaustion, an update should hopefully appear in the next 24 hours. :D

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